A wonderful hour with psychotherapist Michael Cornwall as we talk about helping people in “extreme states.”   These are people, in Michael’s words, who get “medically cursed” instead of helped.   We explore the true nature of extreme states and helping these people without diagnosing and drugging them.   Extreme states can lead to new growth and learning.  But artificially inducing them with psychoactive drugs like LSD, in my view, is too dangerous an approach; and I emphasize the risks of treating them with marijuana or its active substances.   Michael is so experienced, so dedicated, and so genuine, it is a pleasure to share him with you. 

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